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Turbine always gets it in the ass.

Actually I’ve been playing DDO, its very Diablo Esq. but let’s clear up a few misconceptions. The D&D Franchise is Owned by WOTC (Wizards of the coast.) not Atari. Atari is the managing company that is in charge do doing distribution.

Now seeing that DDO is using WOTC’s Licensing, and they (Being Turbine) had to get approval for it. And WOTC controlled EVERY aspect of the creative process, the game itself suffered a lot because WOTC played Big brother the entire time until 2 years after the game had been live.

For example, WOTC Demanded that Turbine make combat D&D type format. (I.E. More sterilized than Neverwinter Nights was.) Turbine argued and said “Not a good idea, it won’t’ translate well.” WOTC said “do it anyway.” So Turbine did. WOTC came out to visit to see how the game was going they put them on a server and said “This combat sucks… Why does it suck?” Turbine again told them “You told us to do it this way, and we told you it wouldn’t translate well.” and WOTC responded with “oh.. Then do it this way…” Turbine again told them “That’s better.. But it still doesn’t translate well; it’s going to bomb out if that’s what you want.” WOTC Said “Do it anyway ”

6 months later…

repeat the above situation.

Turbine had VERY little control over how the creative process was completed.

2 years after DDO when live Atari/WOTC backed out of their agreement and said “Meh whatever you want… but you have to pay us royalties.” Atari’s contract promised a certain amount of monetary support and Distribution for 5 years (I think, trying to remember details) they backed out 2 years into it. Turbine is actually in the Right on this one. The Fact that DDO is kind of a flop, the interface and user tools suck is because they didn’t get a chance to do them correctly, WOTC micromanaged everything.

Let’s take DDO and compare it to LOTRO. Turbine got creative freedom and rights from Tolkien enterprises in 2004, as a result. Lotro is doing phenomenally. Second biggest MMO on the market at the moment, and it’s a hell of a lot of fun to play. If Turbine was given the OPPORTUNITY to do what they felt was best in the first place, it wouldn’t be in the sorry state that it is in fact in.

This is the EXACT same situation that AC2 Got thrown into. MS micromanaged everything, ‘cept MS tried to shut down AC2 in 2003, and they were ORDERED by MS to stop development until contracts were fixed and turbine had Capital to purchase Ms’s rights away. That’s why we had 3 months which nearly NO content, they had about 2 weeks to do 6 weeks of work.

Saying this is turbines fault. is 50/50 – they got in bed with the wrong person for the right reasons… but they didn’t know it was the wrong person at the time until they came home with an STD, and a Tattoo that says “I love Bertha”

In the case of Atari, They went to Turbine and said “we need money or we’re going to have to shut down” Money that Turbine was finally making. They lent the money to Atari to keep them alive and kicking in the industry with the promise that Atari would repay it via contract agreement.

Atari NEVER upheld that agreement, then bailed on the process.

Now the Micro Transactions makes a shit ton of sense doesn’t it? With Atari not paying back the Debt, Lotro Subsidizing DDO (AC1 is paying for itself from my understanding… just fucking barely… but they are breaking even.) they needed income to keep their own heads above water. Does it bring down the level of the game? Sort of. But Micro transactions are not part of the rights they setup with Atari and WOTC; I believe the contract was only for SUBSCRIPTIONS. Therefore this goes back into Turbines pocket to keep them afloat. A Lot of people bitched, but it makes sense in order to keep going, and keep very smart, very intelligent people employed. I don’t think that Turbine fucked up DDO. IMO, it’s not their fault. It’s Atari’s/WOTC that DDO is in the state that it is in.